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Blog, Board development, Campaigns, Resources for the professional, Small shop fundraising

Corporate Governance is a Must Even in Your Small Nonprofit

Board governance is challenging work.  It is especially difficult for smaller organizations.  Even more so in all volunteer organizations.

When organizations lack staff including an Executive Director, it is the Board of Directors who often fills in the “gap” of responsibility regarding getting the day to day activities of the organization done.  Board members may be out sweeping, cutting down trees, writing appeal letters, and providing critical direct services to clients.  So, doing Board governance is often last on a small Board’s list of things to do or to talk about at Board meetings.Board Governance in small nonprofits is challenging but necessary

What is Board governance? Board governance is the process whereby the Board operates as a collective unit to ensure the health of the organization through overseeing things such as legal and moral obligations and a relevant and impactful mission.  That is governance.  It is not the day to day oversight of an organization; that is management.

There is a distinction between the Board as a collective and the roles of individual Board members.  So, when the Board meets as a collective, it must focus on Corporate Governance.  However, that does not preclude individual Board members from wanting to do management kinds of things – within reason.

It doesn’t matter the size of the Board or the staff.  All Boards need to focus and act on Corporate Governance. They can’t be focused on management and expect to do a Board’s due diligence in terms of ensuring the health and sustainability of the organization.  Some have said to me, “We are an all volunteer organization, we don’t have staff.  These types of things don’t apply to us.”  A Board is a Board is a Board, and Boards exist to ensure the legal, moral, and ethical fabric of the organization and be the vanguard for its mission.

Board members should not be discussing whether or not the clients need more hours or that some gardens need planting.  That is not the realm of the Board.  The Board as a collective should be looking at things like what is on the horizon in terms of financial risks, how they should plan for the future strategically, do they have a leadership succession plan in place, what are the expectations of their Board members, and are they in compliance with federal and state mandates.

How does a small organization with limited staff or all volunteers make this transition from management to Corporate Governance?  It is not easy, but it can be done.  When any Board is thinking about moving towards a Board governance model, which they should, the most important first strategic questions they must ask themselves as a Board collective is “Do we even want change?”  “What will change mean for our organization?”  “What will happen if we don’t decide to change?” and “What will change look like for our Board?”

There must be consensus on these critical questions before moving forward towards a Corporate Governance model.  Before thinking about term-limits or financial risks, the Board of Directors must be committed to moving forward in a different, new way.  This will be the first exercise that the Board undertakes in its new Corporate Governance role. Without this commitment, Board Governance will not happen.

 

P.S. – Are you ready to get started with your first large fundraising campaign?  And, you want it to be successful?  Get started with my FREE 7 Steps to a Majorly Successful Fundraising Campaign and use the same EXACT steps that I share with my clients.  Click here to download your FREE 7 Steps “Cheat Sheet” and start planning your fundraising campaign today.   I will share with you all the steps you need to be successful before launching your next campaign.

 

 

June 25, 2016/0 Comments/by hireacfre
Blog, Individual Giving, Major gifts, Planning, Resources for the professional, Small shop fundraising

What running Mt. Washington taught me about fundraising

This past weekend, I embarked on an event that frightened me.  Literally and figuratively.

You see, several months ago, I entered a lottery.  And, the drawing was for a chance to run up Mt. Washington in the Mt. Washington Auto Road Race.  I got in. At the time, it seemed fabulous.  Then as reality dawned, I realized that I need to step up my training, if I were to tackle this 6,288-foot peak, and not hiking it, but running it.

IMG_1787So, many months ago, I set out and found a hill.  I went up and down that hill over and over again.  Then, searching online, I found mountain races.  And, I entered them.  And, I began running up to the summits of mountains.  First smaller ones, and then larger ones.  But, nothing greater than 3,000 or so feet.

When the week dawned, and I made my trek to New Hampshire, I began to have second thoughts about what I was doing. Most everyone in my life, asked me, “Do you know what you are  getting yourself into?”  Admittedly, I thought I did.  But, when the mountain physically appeared on the horizon, I began to wonder, if this is something I should attempt.

Race morning dawned, and I was feeling more than butterflies in my stomach.  This day was the moment given to me.  I had trained for it, and now it had arrived.  All my “new” mountain running friends told me that this was going to be the most difficult thing that I was going to do.  But, they all told me I could do it.  I wasn’t even sure of the weather conditions that I would encounter at the summit.  I packed a hat and gloves just in case.

The race cannon fired, and off we all went.  I had a strategy; I worked it.  Slowly but surely, I chipped away at the mountain and tenths of miles passed.  It got hard. No, it got downright painful.   As the 5,000-foot mark appeared,  my upper body felt like lead.  Then 6,000 feet.  And, I knew that if I kept going, I was going to do this.  Slowly but surely,run-walking all the way to the top.  When the summit appeared, one last obstacle presented itself.  A 22% percent grade in the road and then the finish line.  Nothing stopped me at that point.

What does all this have to do wIMG_1780ith fundraising?  Well, a great deal.  Courage.  I honestly believe that the most significant characteristic of a fundraiser is courage.  These exceptional individuals know that even in the most difficult times, perseverance is key, and that “this too shall pass.”  Courage to get a lot of “no’s” and to be able to ask for a gift without hesitation.  It is the ability to do this, with rumblings and butterflies floating around in your tummy.

I now know that I climb any mountain.  There is no project, no tasks, that I cannot do.  Courage is something that no everyone has, but surely, the best fundraisers do.

Someone remarked to me recently, “The thing I like about you is that you live life to the fullest.  You don’t live on the edge looking in.”  And, truly, that is what we should expect of all our fundraiser.  They are making the mission possible.  And, you can’t make an organization’s mission possible by looking in from the fringes.  You need to be in the field, each and every day, living life to the fullest, in the thick of it all.

While I did know that Mt. Washington would change my life, I didn’t realize that it would give such professional perspective and insight.  Courage. A life worth living for causes life-changing and life-saving.  Isn’t that the characteristic you want for your organization?

P.S. – Are you ready to get started with your first large fundraising campaign?  And, you want it to be successful?  Get started with my FREE 7 Steps to a Majorly Successful Fundraising Campaign and use the same EXACT steps that I share with my clients.  Click here to download your FREE 7 Steps “Cheat Sheet” and start planning your fundraising campaign today.   I will share with you all the steps you need to be successful before launching your next campaign.

June 20, 2016/1 Comment/by hireacfre
Individual Giving, Major gifts, Planning, Resources for the professional, Small shop fundraising

Fundraising in the trenches, getting out of your funk!

Feeling listless, stressed, in a funk?  Snap out of it!

I have been in the field of fundraising for a long time.  And, I know that sometimes (maybe a lot of occasions), development work can be hard and draining, and sometimes you end up in a funk.  Well, here are some great ways that YOU can get yourself out of that funk, and go on serving your donors and your organization. in-a-funk

So, there are hormones that contribute to our moods; you know things like endorphins, serotonin, dopamine, testosterone, etc. that regulate how you feel to get you up and running, we need to stimulate those hormones that will make you feel good.

Here are some ways that you can jumpstart that process during your day:

Pull out some old photos and take a walk down memory lane.  Remember those times you felt on top of the world?  Get those pictures out.  Take a look at them on your break time.

Journal your proudest fundraising moment or the time when you got the most done.  How did you feel?  What was that experience?  Why did you feel the way that you felt at the time?

Create a bucket list, and then take some action steps towards that bucket list.  Why not create a summer bucket list and go out and do it.  Just thinking about creating a bucket list and getting started, makes you feel good.  That hope of getting started on a bucket list alone gets your motor running.

Get into a “power pose” you know the Superwoman, Rocky kind of pose.  Stretch out your hands like you are crossing a marathon finish line.  Do that for two minutes, and you will feel revved and ready to go.

Call someone or think of a person who makes you laugh or gives you good advice.  Who is your “go-to” person that makes you feel connected?  Give them a call!

Get your body moving, biking, walking, kayaking, running, dancing to your favorite song, etc.  Get your heart going and get those endorphins going.  You will immediately feel good.

Development work can be hard.  And, sometimes, let’s face it, we don’t always feel up to par and on top of the word.  I know, I have been there.  Trust me; I have been there.  So when the down times “hit!’  Take these quick and easy steps on your break or lunch time, and immediately trigger the chemical reactions in your brain that will start to turn the funk tide.

What are some ways that you get your fundraising motor running when you feel as if you are running on empty?

 

P.S. – Are you ready to get started with your first large fundraising campaign?  And, you want it to be successful?  Get started with my FREE 7 Steps to a Majorly Successful Fundraising Campaign and use the same EXACT steps that I share with my clients.  Click here to download your FREE 7 Steps “Cheat Sheet” and start planning your fundraising campaign today.   I will share with you all the steps you need to be successful before launching your next campaign.

 

May 30, 2016/0 Comments/by hireacfre
Blog, Donor relations, Individual Giving, Major gifts, Planned Giving, Small shop fundraising

Is your fear of asking causing you to make assumptions for your donors?

Let’s cut to the chase.  I know, and you know that one of the biggest things that stop us from being effective in our fundraising is fear.  Good old, heart pumping, nail biting, fear.

Recently, I had a conversation with some folks, and I asked them the question, “what is your number one concern around fundraising?”  And, time and time again, folks responded, “fear of being rejected.”Fear being rejected in your fundraising

Let’s face it; we just don’t like being told no.  And, while no may not be personal, it sure feels that way, right?

So, then I have had to ask, are we projecting onto our donors and making assumptions about how they will respond?  Meaning, are we projecting our fear of rejection onto them.  I am sure that we have all thought at some point, “Oh he won’t give anything to support us, so why even ask in the first place.”  Are we projecting our thoughts, fears, and assumptions on a donor, so that we won’t have to attempt to ask or even just develop a relationship with him or her?

There once was a very insightful book I read.  It was  Don Miguel Ruiz’s The Four Agreements.  He spends a whole chapter on “Making Assumptions.”  Here is a quote that I think will help you in your work with donors:

“The biggest assumption (in my opinion) is that we assume everyone sees the world and each circumstance the way WE do. We assume they think, feel, and even judge the way we do. This assumption sparks our internal fear of being ourselves around othersŠ we think they will judge, victimize or blame us; just as we do to ourselves. So before someone has the opportunity to accept or reject us, we have already rejected ourselves. The way to keep from making assumptions is to ask questions.”

I urge you to take a look at your fears before embarking on major gift work.  Are you fearful of rejection personally?  And, how is that fear allowing you to make assumptions for donors, just so that you won’t suffer the slings and arrows of rejection in the asking?

This question that I pose is a tough question to think about, but I am asking you to dig deep, not for me, for you, or even for your organization, but for all those in need that you can help by clearing away your fears and your assumptions.

 

P.S. – Are you ready to get started with your first large fundraising campaign?  And, you want it to be successful?  Get started with my FREE 7 Steps to a Majorly Successful Fundraising Campaign and use the same EXACT steps that I share with my clients.  Click here to download your FREE 7 Steps “Cheat Sheet” and start planning your fundraising campaign today.   I will share with you all the steps you need to be successful before launching your next campaign.

May 22, 2016/1 Comment/by hireacfre
Blog, Donor relations, Individual Giving, Major gifts, Planned Giving, Small shop fundraising

Is scarcity stopping you from asking for a major gift?

Do these phrases sound familiar to you?

“I never have enough money!”
“Money goes out faster than it comes in!”
“Money doesn’t grow on trees!”

How often have we heard these phrases growing up?  Well, if you were like me, probably a lot.  As a child, these were the Scarcity mindset in major giftsmessages that I subconsciously learned about money, and they helped to develop my now adult relationship with it.

Just this week, I led a workshop on asking for money.  As part of the icebreaker exercise, I asked attendees to share with me some of their greatest fears about fundraising.  And, fear after fear centered around scarcity.  In fact, many participants commented that they grew up hearing the very same phrases above.

Stop and think about what you believe about money.  Are your beliefs limiting you in your work?  Do you have a scarcity mindset?

Have you ever found yourself saying these types of things?

“There are only so many donors to go around!”
“Donors only have so much money to give!”
“We already asked our donors once this year; we can’t ask again!”

Are we placing our beliefs on our donors?  Are we making assumptions for our donors?  Are we self-sabotaging our work?  Are we limiting our role in the work that we do?  Are we focusing our efforts and time on things such as events that will take us out of the context of asking?

To be truly effective fundraisers, we all need to dig deep and look at our views and those beliefs of scarcity that may be holding you back.   Are they self-limiting and if so how can you work to create an abundance mindset?  We don’t want scarcity from preventing our life-changing work from happening both for our donors and for our missions. So, it is critical that you identify your mindset and work to change it.  Major gifts start with you.  Get that part of the relationship right first.

Break the scarcity mindset before you ask for a major gift.

May 15, 2016/0 Comments/by hireacfre
Blog, Donor relations, Individual Giving, Major gifts, Planned Giving, Small shop fundraising

Let’s talk about YOU, not me!

Research has shown that people like to talk about themselves. And, there is a reason why. It stimulates areas of the brain. It makes them physically feel good to talk about themselves – stimulating the same areas in the brain that sex, cocaine, and good food does. And, we all know what good food does for us!

What scientists found is that “Activation of this part of the brain when discussing the self-suggests that self-Let's talk about YOU!disclosure, like other more traditionally recognized stimuli, may be inherently pleasurable—and that people may be motivated to talk about themselves more than other topics (no matter how interesting or important these non-self topics may be).”

Talking about oneself makes you likeable, builds trust and social bonds, and creates overall happiness. Talking about oneself also leads to the feeling of teamwork. So when we get folks talking about themselves, areas of their brains start to fire and create a pleasurable experience.

This fact all indicates to the types of conversations that we should be having with our donors. Discussions not about our organizations or what we are doing or are interested in, they should be aimed at getting the donor to talk about themselves. It makes them feel good, and it starts that cycle of self-sharing where they feel as if they want to share more.

While we all have been told to find out more about what makes our donors tick, in this case, I urge you to do that and more. Find out what makes them “tick” and help them feel good about meeting with you, the relationship that is developing, and ultimately your organization! People like to talk about themselves because it feels good. So, get people feeling good and happy, and you will build trust and likeability. Go ahead, do it.

So, how can we engage donors in self-talk? Start by asking them what their interests are:

  • What personally excites them?
  • What legacy are they hoping to leave in the world?
  • Why does this cause matter to them?
  • What do they enjoying doing in their free time?
  • What enrages them most about what is happening in the world today?
  • What is one thing on their bucket list?
  • What keeps them up at night?
  • How would they like to make a difference?
  • What has been their greatest life achievement?
  • What book have they read that has been most thought provoking?
  • Etc., etc., etc.

Ask them to share about their:

  • Family
  • Hobbies
  • Job
  • Pets
  • Personal mission
  • Personal values
  • Etc., etc., etc.

Use these conversation starters to get your donor to begin talking about themselves and sharing more about what interests them. It is your job to listen. So rather than think about what you’re going to say before going into a donor meeting. Think about what questions you can ask that will stimulate this self-sharing and ultimately lead the donor to share more while feeling good. And, we all know what happens when you make a donor feel good!

For more reading pleasure:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-neuroscience-of-everybody-favorite-topic-themselves/

May 8, 2016/0 Comments/by hireacfre
Direct mail, Donor relations, Individual Giving, Major gifts, Planning, Small shop fundraising

Where are all your donors going?

Are you looking at your donor retention rate?  It seems like this is old hat in the field, but yet, it is such an important metric to be measuring in your development office.  The question is, are you?

It is more expensive and difficult to obtain a new donor than it is to keep a loyal donor. Do you know that it costs an Make-Me-Feel-Special-200x300average of twenty cents per dollar raised to renew donors via direct mail?  It costs about $1 to $1.25 to acquire a donor using that same method.  That is five times more.  And, on the converse, these new donors tend to give substantially less.  It is much easier to upgrade an existing loyal donor to a higher level of giving.

Are you running regular donor retention reports to determine what your rate is?  How does your donor retention rate compare to industry standards?  How does your donor retention rate compare to organizations in your area?  Is your rate going up, or is it going down?  If it is going down, what steps are you taking?

Here are a few ideas to boost your retention rate:

 

  • Consider decreasing the time required to send out an acknowledgment letter.  Best practice is 24-48 hours.
  • Call higher level donors and thank them for their gift or why not try calling everyone new.
  • Send out a welcome package to new donors making them feel a part of the organization
  • Send out regular updates either via email or printed news or both several times per year that are no solicitations.
  • Report back to the donor what their gift was able to make possible.
  • Develop a formal stewardship plan with donors of different giving levels getting different touches.

If you are not looking at donor retention, start.  While donor acquisition is still important, you can’t overlook the importance of keeping your donors interested in your work and supporting your mission.

What ways are you keeping your donors happy, satisfied, and giving?

Here are some more great resources:

Will I raise money with donor acquisition?

What is cultivation really about?

Knock, Knock, who is there?  Your new donor that is who!

How do you make your new donors feel welcome?

 

April 17, 2016/0 Comments/by hireacfre
Blog, Campaigns, Donor relations, Individual Giving, Major gifts, Planned Giving, Small shop fundraising

What is your aversion to asking others for money?

I enjoy asking for gifts.  I like to connect a donor with a mission and see magic happen.  Indeed, when you ask one for a gift, the giver gives.

When I have broached this topic as of late, I see faces cringe and heads nod, “no.”  The body language says it all.  But, what is the aversion?  It has to do with how we value money and the beliefs and, ultimately, the power that money has over us.  Some feel awkward. Some even feel a little embarrassed about it.  Some ask “who will give us money?” and others ask “how will we ask them?”Beliefs around asking for money

We need to look carefully at ourselves.  What is our relationship to money?  We will never be able to move forward to ask for money if we do not know how we relate to it ourselves.

How important is money in our lives?  What is your past around money?  How do we spend the money we have?  Where are we giving our money?  How does having money affect our self-esteem and self-worth?

Money is about security and that is surely about a very vulnerable place in our lives.

Until you examine your beliefs and thoughts are around money, you will be adverse to ask others.

We must realize, that we are helping others by our asking.  We are enabling them to do great work for our clients, our community, and our world.

But, this must begin with you.  Take time to reflect on truly what money means to you.  And, that will prepare you to embrace asking others, and allowing for changed and transformed lives.

April 10, 2016/0 Comments/by hireacfre
Blog, Campaigns, Direct mail, Donor relations, Grant Writing, Individual Giving, Major gifts, Online, Planned Giving, Planning, Small shop fundraising

Fundraising audits inside and out

The fundraising audit is a major step in fundraising planning.  When you think about planning, you think about where are we, where do we want to be, and how are we going to get there?

The fundraising audit helps you to determine, where are you.  And, it is probably the most important step of the entire planning process.  If you don’t know where you are today, how can you even plan for tomorrow?  And, it is What is a fundraising audit?important to not only look at internal things that will impact your fundraising success i.e. Board of Directors, etc., but it is also critical to examine external factors as well.  Some external things that may affect the success of fundraising include political factors (i.e. election time), economic (a down economy), sociocultural (changing demographics), and technology (changes in the web, social media, etc.).  Development audits also tend to examine others in the industry including nonprofits serving the same type of causes, similar sizes, potential collaborators, and other market factors).

Also, one can examine the feasibility of conducting a future large-scale campaign. Currently, I am conducting a development audit for a nonprofit organization, and as part of that review, I am asking initial capital campaign feasibility questions to determine if a proposed future capital campaign would be a success.

An audit is just that, a systematic attempt to gather tons of data, and then analyzing and synthesizing this data against professional best practices.  While it is best that an objective third party person conducts this process, it can also be accomplished by a new in-house development staff member who still has an objective “eye.”  It is also helpful to have someone who has their finger on the pulse regarding what is shifting and changing in the philanthropic landscape.

A development audit is also a great way to engage key stakeholders i.e. Board members, donors, etc. who may need more cultivation.  It is just as much about the product as it is about the process.

Insanity is creating a fundraising plan without first doing an audit.

Do you have a long-term strategic fund development plan?

April 3, 2016/0 Comments/by hireacfre
Blog, Campaigns, Direct mail, Donor relations, Individual Giving, Major gifts, Planned Giving, Planning, Small shop fundraising

How does your fundraising ROI measure up?

How are you looking at your fundraising rate of return?

It is critical that you develop a variety of ways to measure your performance and report theFundraising Effectivenessse results to the board.

In doing so, you are ensuring appropriate stewardship of your resources through demonstrating that your fundraising is efficient and effective.  While it does cost money to raise funds, as professionals, we need to be assured that we aren’t spending excessive amounts to do so.  While our board should be looking at these types of benchmarks, we can be sure that our donors and public is.  Take a look at the recent issue surrounding the Wounded Warriors national charity.

It is important that we do invest in fundraising and administrative costs in these functions appropriately, even though there is much criticism for doing so.

What constitutes a reasonable amount?

James Greenfield wrote several important books several years ago, and I regularly still find myself turning to his outline on how to best measure the costs of fundraising.  One book, in particular, has been especially valuable.  It is titled, Fundraising Cost Effectiveness:  A Self-Assessment Workbook and was written in 1996.  He highly recommends the importance of benchmarking to other similar organizations in the sector both aggregate and on an individual fundraising level.  What are best practice and industry standards and how does your organization compare?

It is only through this analysis that we can say that our fundraising is within acceptable boundaries of efficiency.

As a fundraising consultant, I spend lots of time auditing organization’s fundraising effectiveness through auditing their development function comparing it to industry standards.

March 20, 2016/0 Comments/by hireacfre
Blog, Donor relations, Individual Giving, Major gifts, Small shop fundraising

Are you stuck in the fundraising dark ages?

With some nonprofits, there seems to be a disconnect.  These groups have operated using the same fundraising methods as they did twenty years ago, perhaps with the same leaders leading the organization.

GUSA-2015-Source-Pie-Chart-2They fail to look at national giving trends that show individuals giving more than 70% of all contributed income and only 15% made by grants and foundations, with even less by corporations.  It is these same organizations that continue
to disregard these philanthropic findings and keep on doing things the same old ways that they have always been done.  Many of them are still chasing grants and foundation that perhaps take months to make decisions and often will not give again.  It is these same organizations that will pursue funding and put their missions in jeopardy suffering from extreme mission creep.  Even grants and foundations want to know that an organization can be self-sustainable.

Well, you know what happens to folks who resist change?  They can no longer go on.

This fact is the reality.

And, reality while tough, is causing those organizations who embrace it, to move ahead.

What is this new (or not so new) reality?  Well, the once dominant paradigm of transaction fundraising has moved to relationships and transformative fund development.  This fact means that no longer are transaction special events king, but long-term sustainable donor relationships rule.  That is what our donors are exactly craving.  They don’t want to make one-time gifts and then go away.  They want to have long relationships with organizations that are making the difference that they believe.  Once an organization begins to think and act along these lines, they see tremendous results.

So banish the few choices for donors, banish the no segmentation, banish the standard donor communications, banish the reliance on special events, banish trying to fit your donors into YOUR boxes and not theirs.  Banish, banish, banish – your old ways of thinking before you disappear.

Is your organization stuck in the dark ages of fundraising?

Step out now, before you can’t.

March 5, 2016/0 Comments/by hireacfre
Campaigns, Donor relations, Individual Giving, Major gifts, Planned Giving, Planning, Small shop fundraising

I have a motive, and it is a bequest.

Yes, I have a motive, and it is a bequest. As a young woman with no children, I have already created my estate plans. Yes, I have. And while those I love will be taken care of as they should. There is a time after they are gone when my assets held in trust will be given to a charity which will receive the bulk of my estate.

You may ask, why?My motive for a bequest

Well, undoubtedly motives for donors are all different.  Some decide to leave money in their estate to avoid taxes, some choose to leave money to obtain recognition.   There is a whole host of other important motivations. For me, it is because I want to give to a charity which has given so very much to me. And, this gift that I make on my death will be impossible for me to make during my life.

We all tend to live on a set amount of disposable income.  While I have had saved and invested, surely I am not willing to take a chance and spend down a considerable amount of my assets while I may still need them.  I still have a long life yet to live.  However, after my death, who cares!  At that point, I will be able to make the single largest gift that I will ever make.  For me, that is enough.  More than I could do while alive.

I should add that at one point, I had a significant number of charities in my estate to benefit from my death.  And, that is where stewardship comes into play.  For you see, some charities are so intent on “chasing” the big donors that they forget about those little folks making small gifts out of their disposable income.  What they fail to think about is that for some, this giving may just be the tip of the iceberg. Since estate gifts are surely revocable, all donors whether large or small should be stewarded in some way appropriate to each.

I can’t tell you how many times during my career that an organization  I was working with received a bequest from a donor who may have made one $10 or $25 gift during their lifetime.

I have thought long and hard about those local charities and have narrowed it down to one – one that is extremely near and dear to my heart and one that treats me like a person when I visit, call, or make a gift.

I have a motive, and it is a bequest.

 

February 21, 2016/3 Comments/by hireacfre
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